12 May 2008 , 08:23 am
Mostly Solved: The Pee Machine & Seeds to pellets for Nugget. 
Some of you may remember my post a while back about Raven, our getting-elderly-pee machine.

The issue wasn't that Raven was going outside the litter box purposefully, the issue was it seemed to be such a struggle to get into the box, she'd hang half her ass off the side (because she'd only go as far as RIGHT at the front) and then pee. Without squatting. So of course, there she'd be IN the litter box, peeing...out of it.

We've mostly solved that issue with a random find at a local pet store. This experiement has been running since a few days after asking advice and I gotta say, it's been pretty kick ass.

This dog litter box.





Yes. Dog. I am so far behind the 'pet times,' I guess. I hadn't a clue that they were making dog litter boxes. The one we have as pictured above is roughly as deep on the back and sides as the largest cat litter box, but without the huge wall of plastic at the front for Raven to jump over.

In fact, I'm not sure if you can tell by the picture, but there's a little plastic piece that fits over the opening that can be removed too--forming a lip that's nearly flush with the floor. Maybe no higher than an inch or two. Essentially, any cat with joint problems or too old to jungle-gym all over the place just to go poop can waltz right in and go.

With the old litter box, I was cleaning up her pee on the mat (a little blue mat that picks up some of the litter from their paws) four or five times a day. Now, with the newer, lower doggy litter box I might catch her having an accident once a week. With the added bonus of the puppy training pads around the front, I have even less clean up than before.

This dog litter box was a large--apparently you can order much, much larger ones. This will set you back $30 dollars, but, for Shawn and I, that really wasn't much to ensure our ol' kitty comfort and ease. Flora took to it in seconds too. So that's one worry out of the way.

It's heavy duty plastic and really durable so far, even with all the scratching and clawing. It's surprisingly light and easy to pick up when empty and clean. I really, really, really recommend this instead of the usual cat litter boxes if you have room for it and don't mind the fact there's no cover for it.

In other pet news: Some of you may recall that I was trying to move Nugget from a mostly seed and some pellet diet, to an complete pellet diet. We figured out what was wrong with the first set of pellets: they came in three colors, two shapes. Red, green as little beads and yellow/beige as banana shaped as well as smelling like fruit. He would eat all the red and green and leave the banana. So when he ran out of the little round red and green pellets he'd behave as if he were starving to death, tweeting and chirping and chirping and tweeeeeeting--leaving the 'naner shaped ones. So we didn't get it at first, as his food bowl would still be pretty full.

Eventually, we caught on and changed him over to Zupreem pellets. These pellets are round only with pieces of real dried fruit mixed in. He eats all of them without issue and we haven't fed him any seeds at all for over a week and a half. I'm very relieved we figured things out, as we realized that seed diets were simply awful for birdies.

And that's it on the pet front!

For the tl;dr crowd: Cat's peeing less due to a doggy litter pan and the bird's now eating an all pellet & fruit diet. Mel's a crazy animal lady. Blahblahblah.

P.S RANDOMRANDOMRANDOM: MY CAMERA WASN'T DELIVERED FRIDAY SO IT MIGHT COME TODAY AND I'M STILL EXCITED OH LAWD.
 
 
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The Dragon of Life[info]dragonoflife on May 12th, 2008 02:05 pm (UTC)
Why is a seed diet bad for birds?
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MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on May 12th, 2008 02:31 pm (UTC)
An excerpt from: http://www.exoticpetvet.net/avian/avnutrition.html
"Hypovitaminosis A is the most common problem seen in birds that consume primarily a seed diet. What owners and vets must realize, is that even if a bird is offered the essentials of a balanced diet, it is likely to pick out and consume what it likes best, and not necessarily what is good for it. Hypovitaminosis A is often easy to diagnose. Usually, the choanal papillae will be blunted or absent. Often, white plaques may be visible in the oropharynx (these are usually Candida lesions). On a Gram's stain of the choanal slit, there may be excessive numbers of epithelial cells, as well as yeast (often budding)."


An excerpt from: http://www.multiscope.com/hotspot/nutrition.htm
"Seeds are very high in fat (especially sunflower, safflower and peanuts), low in calcium, low in protein and almost devoid of any vitamins."


Pretty much seeds are the McDonald's of the bird food world. Tastes great, but it's nothing but pure fat.

If I remember what I've read correctly, there's also the risk of feeding your bird this fatty diet and them becoming overweight. Overweight birds deposit fat on their chest and bellies, where the little sacks which hold the air they breath are usually about. A fat bird will often have difficulty breathing and moving around and may actually asphyxiate itself due to being unable to inflate their air sacs due to heavy fat.

Some seeds are not bad. Since birds adore seeds, they make for EXCELLENT training treats. But an all seed diet is unhealthy.
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The Dragon of Life[info]dragonoflife on May 12th, 2008 03:18 pm (UTC)
I gather that a mixed diet is also bad because the bird would eat the seeds, ignore the pellets, then demand more?
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MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on May 12th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
You're 100% correct sir. We tried that with Beaker, our first cockatiel and Nugget early on.

We mixed seeds with pellets and they both just ate the seeds, ignored the pellets and behaved as if they were starving to death, ignoring the other foods before them.
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The Dragon of Life[info]dragonoflife on May 12th, 2008 03:37 pm (UTC)
Today I am a more knowledgeable man.

I've heard it said that if you feed a cat multiple varities of cat food (usually this refers to canned), it will get finicky and stop eating varities it used to eat in the thought that it might get something better. The cats I had back in the day never did that though.
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MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on May 12th, 2008 03:41 pm (UTC)
Cats are even finicky about being finicky.

Our cat, Cleo, was like this. She had a long life of different brands, different flavors and when she got older she stopped eating certain flavors and brands she used to like.

Our cat, Raven, the land-beast however, is getting up there in years and she will eat anything that does not move put down in front of her that remotely smells like food.

So it always depends on the cat. And the predictability of finding out which one is like most things with cats: random.
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The Dragon of Life[info]dragonoflife on May 12th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)
Of our two cats, our black kitty (Luigi) didn't eat all that much. Usually our orange kitty (Zelda, yes they were geek names!) ate her meal, HIS meal, and supplemented it with any wildlife she could get her hands on. She was a very accomplished hunter.

The strange thing is that Zelda was tiny and Luigi was HUGE. My friends were of the opinion that he was stealing her life force directly. ^.^
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LG: Look through a child's eyes.[info]birdzilla on May 12th, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
I hadn't known about this. I think I need to look into pellets for Mandy when I next get home, then.
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MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on May 12th, 2008 07:15 pm (UTC)
It can be a long difficult road for some birds.

Some of them will refuse to eat for a day, two or three.

You may have to do some strange things to the pellets to convince the birds to eat them--I've heard some people adding a little water to them and putting them in the microwave, to apple juice instead of water and so on. There are a lot of how-to-get-bird-to-eat-pellets out there floating about the net that I recommend reading.

And like anything, not just one, but several since misinformation is as rampant here as it is in pet stores.

For the record? I didn't know this either until I got a bird.
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