15 August 2008 , 02:49 pm
I am neck deep in the pool, baaaybeee! 
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We have this thread exploding over at Dragon's Mark: http://www.dragonsmark.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2342



Any time I publicly, politely express my opinion when it comes to role play, role playing, role players--all I get is the unleashed mo'fo'ing fury from some who assume that just because I say something, and chose to do so in public, I am bashing them. I am willfully calling them out because, I, like any evil public internet doer, sit behind my monitor day in and day out rubbing my hands together plotting ways to make people feel bad about themselves. Seriously. All day. I don't even get up to pee, I pee in a can in case I miss a chance to jump all over someone and make them feel like poo. /sarcasm and humor.

If I knew that I could hold a discussion with my fellow role playing humans in a manner reasonable and adult, I would have more posts public. I would dare to take off my filter and allow anyone to come with me. We would dance the dance of awesome maturity and have lively discussions all day. We know the truth of the matter, don't we, you and I, my lurktastic little friends. This doesn't work in the world of internets role play. Someone will always: misunderstand, take that misunderstanding and feed misinformation to the masses, completely miss the point of the post, show up just to tear you a new one, read the post and get all upset and tell all their friends except you, spread rumors, gossip, or OMFG H8 U FOREVER.

Part of me agrees that it is wrong to openly bash someone behind the lock and friends filter of their journal not giving them a chance to defend themselves. Part of me agrees, even, that is not entirely fair to discuss someone (no bashing, just discussion) where they cannot see it either.

HOWEVER--given the tendencies of people when confronted with a mistake they'd made or even a perceived mistake even when one is being as polite and as professional as possible? I can see why it has to be done in some cases. Some people just flat out cannot take criticism, suggestions or advice in any way, shape or form. Punishing the person attempting to do good happens so much that it is no wonder people are driven to be honest underground, somewhere safe in a place where their respected peers can discuss things with them. And this is why I have a filter and friends only entries.

I have been sent several letters in my day from people upset from what I have said. They asked me, "Tell me honestly." So I did. I did my best to remain polite, objective, keep the person out of the subject at hand and tell them honestly. For that, I end up getting backlash and angry words. This will never go away. So again, this is why I have a Role Players Filter on this journal and why only certain people I consider my trusted peers and friends can read it.

Another of my many parts thinks the big stink is being caused, specifically, because PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS WHERE OTHER PEOPLE CAN'T BE NOSEY ABOUT IT. I am of the belief a small percentage of the biggest issue is that role players are getting their feathers ruffled over the fact that they aren't privy to all and any information.



Some other stuff I wanted to touch on but in list form, because this would just end up being an epic post:
  • You can't police what people write about on their blogs.
  • You can't police what people say about you behind your back.
  • You can't police what people think about you, even if they've never met you.
  • You can't police the right for people to have a bad opinion of you, no matter how nice you are to them.
  • You can't force role players to adjust to what you find acceptable. I believe it is more than alright to discuss my issues with fellow, trusted role playing partners and friends in the safety and sanctity of my own space on the internet. Some believe this should never be done, and one should never name names no matter where and it should all be done either on a forum or behind the scenes in private messages. Neither of us are wrong. Just different.
  • YOU CANNOT POLICE/LEGISLATE MORALITY.(thanks [info]the_dream_king, for helping me form that idea. Well. Thanks to your mom!) What you think is alright may not be alright for someone else, and vice versa. You cannot force someone else to see that your way is the right way or the highway.


  • You can learn to let go:
  • You can learn to not care about what everyone else is saying about you, and care about what your real friends are saying.
  • You can learn to, if not stop caring (because yes, I know it's hard for some) redirect that sensitivity to caring about something else.
  • You CAN police/legislate your OWN morality.
  • You can learn to communicate with your fellow role players
  • You can learn that the only person who should really be concerned about online, is you. Is what you are writing and saying something you can fess up to proudly a year from now? Is what you are writing and doing something you can at least, look back on later and go--"Wow. Ooops! But I learned something!"


  • I am learning everyday. I am making mistakes. But I am doing it within a circle of well trusted individuals and friends and I am not giving myself ulcers over what everyone else thinks of me. I have my moments of spite, anger, and childishness. I am learning from them too.

    What are you learning?

    This had been a Mel is Full of Opinions Role Play Rant/Discussion/Post.

    This post is PUBLIC, its anonymous commenting is ON, meaning you do not have to be a member of live journal to reply to this entry! NO comments will be screened/hidden. Huzzah.
     
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    Xandre: Smart and Sexy[info]fox_bard on August 15th, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC)
    My gods. How is it that we have not been friends sooner? (Completely rhetorical, of course.) ::thumbs way up::
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    MellyJellyBeans: >:-D[info]elf_fu on August 15th, 2008 10:10 pm (UTC)
    I have no idea, really, but I truly need to sit down and get all peery eyed with the people my friends are friends of. I am missing out on some awesomesauce people!

    And, thanks! :3
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    Missy: Darth Bitch[info]swanofgrey on August 15th, 2008 10:55 pm (UTC)
    I purposely don't read the DM main forum for this very reason.

    As I mentioned to Eve, some may think I'm wearing blinders, but I'm there to have fun. I don't have time to get involved in drama fests. I don't care what people think of how I play my characters or what I post. If they have an issue with either, they can take it up with me directly. Otherwise nothing will change. Those who whine and complain indirectly on a forum or to other people won't be catered to.

    And if they don't like what I post in my blog, they don't have to read it. They can kiss my pasty white butt. It's MY blog, which is created to post MY opinions and observations.

    Besides, what is there to object to? I'm just a baseball bat wielding princess, right?
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    MellyJellyBeans: 1 Up Bitch[info]elf_fu on August 15th, 2008 11:00 pm (UTC)
    "And if they don't like what I post in my blog, they don't have to read it. They can kiss my pasty white butt. It's MY blog, which is created to post MY opinions and observations."

    Yes. What kind of conscious does one have to purposefully search and seek out any instances of their name on the internet with the intent on finding out what people have said about them?

    I just...I can try and be a nice human as much as I can. I cannot nor will not shoulder to burden of being sweet and kind to every single human soul I have never met in my entire life.

    People say bad things.
    It is up to US how things effect us.

    And I honestly question my sanity from time to time for reading and responding. I guess I keep hoping for positivity and construction to outweigh everything else.

    edited*** for HTML.

    Edited at 2008-08-15 11:01 pm (UTC)
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    Missy: Giggle[info]swanofgrey on August 15th, 2008 11:05 pm (UTC)
    *looks up from pizza, cellphone texting, and driving at same time*

    What was that?

    *ducks and fleeeeees!"
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    MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on August 15th, 2008 11:06 pm (UTC)
    WHERE YOU DRIVING WITH YOUR TONGUE AGAIN?!!
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    Missy[info]swanofgrey on August 15th, 2008 11:39 pm (UTC)
    Nope! My knee!

    RAWRAWBLAHRAW!
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    MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on August 16th, 2008 12:02 am (UTC)
    Well, that is a little more safe than your tongue.

    Besides that, it's hard to talk on the phone drooling all over the steering wheel.
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    MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on August 15th, 2008 11:07 pm (UTC)
    RAWRAWBLAHRAW!
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    Eve_Dot_Com: Ar Pee Iz Funz!!11[info]eve_dot_com on August 16th, 2008 03:44 am (UTC)
    SURPRISE! I agree completely.

    Well maybe that's not a surprise.

    But you said it really, really well.
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    MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on August 16th, 2008 03:27 pm (UTC)
    Ahh!

    There have been a lot of people saying it even better too. Unfortunately, they probably won't say it in public now for obvious reasons. Which is a shame.

    There were some really excellent points in the thread.
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    horizonchaser[info]horizonchaser on August 16th, 2008 04:46 am (UTC)
    I muzzle Snarkzilla tonight because I sometimes believe people can change for the better. Hence, MMPPHHLLLELLLSSLLLPPPPHHBLEW!

    I try to keep an even keel between having good ol' fashioned ranty pants on and blowing off steam (or just making fun of a trend), and being honestly helpful.

    It's a fine line to tread. People insist that you name names when you rant, I rarely do. They think you shouldn't be able to just rant to blow off steam. Oh well. They want you to come to them with your problems -- rigghhhtt.

    There's no right way to do it, so do what you feel is right. When you have people who aren't comprehending that you're NOT attacking them (I've had people come unglued because I've posted helpful rp tips. NO I wasn't attacking you, I was making a point that may or may not be relevant. If it's not relevant to you, don't worry about it!), then you're pretty much in the position of saying "Hi, this is my friends filter, you're not on it."

    I had a point, but I think I lost it after a look at the DM thread.

    And if you haven't met Mel yet, Fox_bard, you just haven't been glittered. =-D
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    MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on August 16th, 2008 03:31 pm (UTC)
    It's a fine line to tread, yes. But in the end there are so many wonderful adult ways to handle it that don't include begging or asking people what to write and what not to write in their journal.

    Such as outright IM'ing them. Sending them a PM. E-mailing them. Replying to the topic, and if they can't, even speaking to someone they know to ask to get a hold of them to work it out is better than turning about and...It's just messed up. Seriously.

    "You can't post stuff about me, vaguely, on your blog. However, I am going to post pretty specific instances about you, from your blog, that would make it pretty difficult for anyone with a brain in their heads to miss which blog I am talking about, accuse the blog owner of having groupies, cronies and tomato throwers....And then have my groupie show up, throw tomatoes, deny everything and make me look poor. Very poor. . :)))) NOTHING TO GET UPSET ABOUT HERE."
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    Yellow Rose[info]yellowrosetx on August 16th, 2008 05:01 am (UTC)
    You know, I was pretty ok with what all was being said until someone had the chutzpah to try to tell me and everyone else what not to post in our own blogs. Funny thing, I didn't even know this person existed until she wanted to mother the DM boards. Guess who is probably going to be the subject of a lot of blogging now that this stunt has been pulled?

    The nerve.. I mean really, asking people to give her respect and not blog about her but not respecting that they have the right to say what they like under the TOS or TOU of their blog service? Can we say double standard?
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    MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on August 16th, 2008 03:34 pm (UTC)
    I'm blogging about her. Right now.

    We're blogging about her. Blog, blog, bloggity blog blog!

    Seriously, someone needs to inform WOLVINATOR that things might have looked far better on him had she not been trying to assist. While I don't agree with what Wolvinator did, I believed that it could have been handled in a better manner.

    Until SILENTENCHANTMENT showed up. She isn't helping, and is, in fact, reflecting poorly on Wolv.



    Edited because god damn, I can't type**


    Edited at 2008-08-16 03:35 pm (UTC)
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    Yellow Rose[info]yellowrosetx on August 17th, 2008 09:48 pm (UTC)
    Nothing like inviting people to toss tomatoes, eh? ;)
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    MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on August 17th, 2008 11:14 pm (UTC)
    I'm a moving target. Sting like a butterfly! Float like a bee!

    ..Wait..
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    Yellow Rose[info]yellowrosetx on August 18th, 2008 01:04 am (UTC)
    I meant her! ;P
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    MellyJellyBeans[info]elf_fu on August 18th, 2008 01:22 am (UTC)
    I knew that!

    ::cough::

    ...What? I did.
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    Leesa Logic[info]leesalogic on August 19th, 2008 09:24 pm (UTC)
    I agree with everything you said and I posted (probably not as nicely) something similar over at DM. As a result I think I became persona non grata to a few divas.

    Reading that wank made me WANT to write rants about specific people just on principle. I don't even know them. I'm contrary like that though.

    I usually won't name names unless (a) I'm complaining formally and I want people in power (or people I want to warn to watch out for) to know specifically what I'm talking about, (b) I want to make it clear that I'm NOT talking about some nebulous group of people, or (c) I specifically want that person to know exactly what I'm talking about and the rest of my readers to not worry if I might be talking about them. I rarely am and the times I do, it's not as a rant, it's a method to find out why they think/do the way they do (generate discussion and learn).
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    MellyJellyBeans: BitchBitchBitch[info]elf_fu on August 19th, 2008 10:04 pm (UTC)
    It's an unfortunate side effect to role play, to humanity. All of it can be summed up to human nature, but never is it more clearly concentrated than online, via the internet, forums or message boards.

    Like Bill Cosby said about cocaine, but it works here: "Someone said to me: You gotta try cocaine. It intensifies your character. So I asked him, 'Yes, but what if you're an asshole?'"

    I think it fits, and I don't not-include-myself in that, either.
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